[Evito1916]

Originally Posted by Azmith No mention of PVP neglect...? How neglectful

In case anyone missed, Sillirion did comment on PvP. The comments should tell you exactly why he ignores the topic, and SURPRISE YOU, (not)

Originally Posted by K4nnyc As the title suggests, I and I'm sure some others want to know what is coming in the future for pvp in age of conan and when it is coming. I think it's about time you finally came clean and talked to whats left of the community about your plans for pvp and gave us a clear time schedule. Just in case youre busy I shall monitor and bump this thread until I get a satisfactory reply. So to start things off. Sillirion, please answer each point below. Are we getting any of the following and when, approximate dates are ok. 1. faction based pvp 2. more mini game maps 3. split pvp minigames by pvp level 4. consequence system revamp 5. siege fixes 6. minigame bug fixes 7. old pvp stats reintroduction and more stats 8. towers system 9. alignment system 10. ANY other unlisted pvp content whatsoever 11. No further pvp content

Originally Posted by Silirrion I'm pretty sure we have already covered this in the development letters. The next content based PVP addition (not counting all the significant PVP system centric updates incoming, like sprinting, class changes etc) is the new mini-game map that will come around the same time as the next adventure pack. Bug fixes and performance improvements come in each major update series as appropriate. so to your list ... 1. No firm plans there yet, as mentioned in previous letters, this is something we are considering for the future. 2. As above, it will be around the same time as the adventure pack 3. No eta there, most likely once we have the single server infrastructure in place. 4. No plans for any revamp there. We have not mentioned doing that, and have no plans there atm. 5. Performance updates come in almost every update. We will also benefit there from some potentially beneficial updates that the network folk have done for TSW, that we will get after we next integrate the Dreamworld tech. (Possibly later this year, will depend on update windows, currently hoping to try some of it in the fall) 6. Again, bug-fixing happens in regular updates. Always ongoing. 7. As we have said before, no plans on anything there if you mean adding back in deaths. We may consider something there next year. 8. As everyone knows the 'Tower' design was what was eventually the Shrines feature. No plans for another round of open world objectives of that nature. As mentioned in previous letters, we will most likely keep to instanced PVP content for the moment. However, on a personal level, I'd love to revisit that design at some stage, but there are some serious limitations that ending up scuppering the intention the team had with the Shrines, and we would need some of those addressed before we re-examined that. 9. Not sure what you mean there. That's not any system we have talked about before .. so obviously no plans there, but I'm not sure what you mean. 10. As we have mentioned we will most likely reconsider the world bosses in some form, depending on the discussion on a faction system as mentioned in one of your previous points. Not a problem to confirm those statuses and estimates again. The plans haven't changed any over the last few months as we are hard at work on the current updates and the adventure pack. The bulk of our focus for PVP has been on the systems side of things, with some of them, as with the multiple specs, and the sprint changes, being major changes. Of course we need to make sure there is new content in the pipeline too, and that is the case too, with the new map in the works to come alongside the adventure pack.

[SerDaNoite]

Originally Posted by Silirrion ... but we have already rolled out the new raid encounters, have more coming up in the next update, as well as getting in the new max level versions of the dynamic dungeons.

Oh more PvE, as we didnt have so much already

The next adventure pack is well underway internally, which will bring a tone of great new content at the end of the year.

Yet more PvE...

I think overall, when you weigh up the content updates over the course of a year, we compare pretty favorably to most other MMOs

alll in PvE aspect of the game

AO will celebrate its 11th year this summer, we very much see AoC having just as long a life

By negelcting the pvp community? I wish you luck...

Can AoC have any PvP content before the 11th aniversary?? (dont you dare call Shrines of BoriNG pvp!). You just gave us SAG and nothing more!!!!!!!!

We want incentives for pvp. Prizes for acomplishing pvp tasks as: flag caps, flag defense, tottem damage, tottem defense, healing done, saviour kills, avenger kills, fatalities, kill assists, CC flag carriers, and etc, etc. Any other KPI you may find on it. Give xp and tokens for that.

Now we just have killing or mini wins, nothing more. Just take a look at battlefield, call of duty and others, and all the pins, medals or ribbons ppl can get. That can drive teamplay.

You have an amazing world already done. You can just cut some new mini maps from that and even renew they very constantly. No need to be all symmetric. Better give us a new cut each month tham 1 symmetric map each 4 years.

I saw in a EU post you still think about "PvP Bosses". Didnt you learn anything with the Shrines of BoriNG fail??? Hit rocks or bosses is PvE, since either one are part of the enviroment. This game needs real pvp. With this amazing combat system, the huge disdain you have for pvp is both a shame and a lost of opportunity

[Saren101]

You guys are always complaining about no PvP content. What kind of content can exist in PvP exactly? All PvP is is fighting and killing other players, that exists in the game already, heck they made a hardcore "PvP" server strictly a result from all the "whah, we are neglected in pvp" complaints. They added in a new 24 man mini. In the end what does it matter, the PvP content exists, just kill each other and shut up already. PvP content exists it has been in game since day one, stop qq'ing on the forums and kill eachother till your heart's content.

When everything is said and done, all PvP is at the end of the day, is players fighting and killing one another, as opposed to fighting the AI.

[SerDaNoite]

Originally Posted by Saren101 You guys are always complaining about no PvP content. What kind of content can exist in PvP exactly? All PvP is is fighting and killing other players, that exists in the game already, heck they made a hardcore "PvP" server strictly a result from all the "whah, we are neglected in pvp" complaints. They added in a new 24 man mini. In the end what does it matter, the PvP content exists, just kill each other and shut up already. PvP content exists it has been in game since day one, stop qq'ing on the forums and kill eachother till your heart's content. When everything is said and done, all PvP is at the end of the day, is players fighting and killing one another, as opposed to fighting the AI.

fanboy detected, and one that know nothing about pvp. Go play some battlefield and you will see what pvp content means

[Bukkithedd]

Originally Posted by Saren101 You guys are always complaining about no PvP content. What kind of content can exist in PvP exactly? All PvP is is fighting and killing other players, that exists in the game already, heck they made a hardcore "PvP" server strictly a result from all the "whah, we are neglected in pvp" complaints. They added in a new 24 man mini. In the end what does it matter, the PvP content exists, just kill each other and shut up already. PvP content exists it has been in game since day one, stop qq'ing on the forums and kill eachother till your heart's content. When everything is said and done, all PvP is at the end of the day, is players fighting and killing one another, as opposed to fighting the AI.

There can be plenty of content in PvP. You're talking world-objectives (take and hold Y village for your guild to get X bonus, much like the tower-fields in AO), you're talking arenas where you can host tournaments for 1vs1, 2vs2, 4vs4 etc (with, of course, betting on teams, spectator-stands etc), you've got things such as faction-based PvP (Join a faction, fight for control of X object in Y zone, for example the rooftops of the different districts of OT/Khemi). There's a whole horde of things that would make PvP MEAN something. As it is now it's just mindless slaughter, and, while fun, there's no point behind it, no meaning to it and thus it gets very boring very fast.

Also take into effect the glaring differences in power when you compare a player at PvP-level 10 with a PvP 1 (or PvP 5, for that matter), and you see something needs to be done.

Those that actually engage in PvP can probably write books about what's wrong with PvP, but those are at least things I personally think would make PvP interesting. Sure, keep the Open-world PvP as well, but for the love of whatever gods may be out there, expand on it to tempt more people, especially us poor sods from the PvE-servers to engage in it!.

Yes, PvP is just that: Player vs player. But it needs purpose. When you have something to fight for and over, **** becomes a damn lot more interesting than mere kill/death-ratios. And no, I for one don't count minigames as PvP-content. It's a cheap, half-assed solution that doesn't bring anything really new to the table.

[Haukon]

Originally Posted by Saren101 You guys are always complaining about no PvP content. What kind of content can exist in PvP exactly? All PvP is is fighting and killing other players, that exists in the game already, heck they made a hardcore "PvP" server strictly a result from all the "whah, we are neglected in pvp" complaints. They added in a new 24 man mini. In the end what does it matter, the PvP content exists, just kill each other and shut up already. PvP content exists it has been in game since day one, stop qq'ing on the forums and kill eachother till your heart's content. When everything is said and done, all PvP is at the end of the day, is players fighting and killing one another, as opposed to fighting the AI.

Ok, lets turn this around into a perspective you might comprehend.

Take all pve content away and let pvers run around killing mobs until they turn blue.

Now your pvp counterparts recieve an entire tier upgrade of new minigames, new repeatable quests, greater rewards, arena maps, pvp zones filled with objectives, meanwhile the pvers recieve a tweek here or there on who's handling mobs easier than others.

After years of this the pver continues to lament his starvation for something other than killing mobs but the pvper looks mockingly down on them and tell them to shutup and kill more mobs.

[Bukkithedd]

Originally Posted by Haukon Ok, lets turn this around into a perspective you might comprehend. Take all pve content away and let pvers run around killing mobs until they turn blue. Now your pvp counterparts recieve an entire tier upgrade of new minigames, new repeatable quests, greater rewards, arena maps, pvp zones filled with objectives, meanwhile the pvers recieve a tweek here or there on who's handling mobs easier than others. After years of this the pver continues to lament his starvation for something other than killing mobs but the pvper looks mockingly down on them and tell them to shutup and kill more mobs.

Probably the best description of the situation for PvP'ers there has ever been here on the boards, pretty much.

[Evito1916]

Originally Posted by Saren101 You guys are always complaining about no PvP content. What kind of content can exist in PvP exactly? All PvP is is fighting and killing other players, that exists in the game already, heck they made a hardcore "PvP" server strictly a result from all the "whah, we are neglected in pvp" complaints. They added in a new 24 man mini. In the end what does it matter, the PvP content exists, just kill each other and shut up already. PvP content exists it has been in game since day one, stop qq'ing on the forums and kill eachother till your heart's content. When everything is said and done, all PvP is at the end of the day, is players fighting and killing one another, as opposed to fighting the AI.

And, all I can say to this is, hey look it's a stupid person!

[Bukkithedd]

Originally Posted by Legend And, all I can say to this is, hey look it's a stupid person!

Wouldn't call him stupid, just ignorant.

[morrigan07]

Originally Posted by Bukkithedd There can be plenty of content in PvP. You're talking world-objectives (take and hold Y village for your guild to get X bonus, much like the tower-fields in AO), you're talking arenas where you can host tournaments for 1vs1, 2vs2, 4vs4 etc (with, of course, betting on teams, spectator-stands etc), you've got things such as faction-based PvP (Join a faction, fight for control of X object in Y zone, for example the rooftops of the different districts of OT/Khemi). There's a whole horde of things that would make PvP MEAN something. As it is now it's just mindless slaughter, and, while fun, there's no point behind it, no meaning to it and thus it gets very boring very fast. Also take into effect the glaring differences in power when you compare a player at PvP-level 10 with a PvP 1 (or PvP 5, for that matter), and you see something needs to be done. Those that actually engage in PvP can probably write books about what's wrong with PvP, but those are at least things I personally think would make PvP interesting. Sure, keep the Open-world PvP as well, but for the love of whatever gods may be out there, expand on it to tempt more people, especially us poor sods from the PvE-servers to engage in it!. Yes, PvP is just that: Player vs player. But it needs purpose. When you have something to fight for and over, **** becomes a damn lot more interesting than mere kill/death-ratios. And no, I for one don't count minigames as PvP-content. It's a cheap, half-assed solution that doesn't bring anything really new to the table.

Great suggestions and much more constructive then simply..."there's no pvp content".