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[Mathieulombardi]

Originally Posted by Erock25 Sins are easy to pwn u bubble baddie. Only one that can land all his combos is fuzzy. I remember a fight yesterday where I was in jhebbal and turned the corner into 7 people from the other team, I killed one before the others noticed so I jump down towards the middle. The fall dmg takes me to about 4k health and azmith jumps down with almost full health but before he lands I stone hide, pop forest and lycan bite and preload IB and hit him with it as he lands. Ursine crush which he breaks but I still got 2seconds of immunity which screws over his snap kick and by that time I'm landing bewilder and he is ****ed. 99% of sins are meat. You rune of grounding their bomb or pop stone hide + forest mani + rune of resilience with lycan and they're dead. It is hilarious you think you need iron hide to beat a sin. Why are you talking about magam with some other spec? You like to bring up pointless **** that has nothing to do with the topic huh?

It was just a reminder of our discussion back then between specs. It's compared to how you want to kill first and support your team later. Which is fine if you're pvp 4 and up bs with AAs in a pug mini. As a lowbie bear or one that actually premades it's a different story.

And lol at your argument regarding sins. Sins are easy to pwn b/c there are so many bad sins. All they do is use bombs and dot darts then dww and think they're pro. But my point was that no matter what pvp level you are, a full pvp 8-10 sin with crafted tier 3 weapon would make you think differently. Are they easy to pwn? I kill pvp 8 sins on my tos. But no matter how good or bad, as long as they know how to land acombo they'll give any pvp 2 BS problems.

I don't understand why you think this topic is still about you. This is just to help a bs that's pvp 2 with no gear and no aa. But on your topic, it's too bad you were only a beginner back in the day. I'd love to see you 1v1 slither while morphs was using no avatar/gb/dww/ with no AAs and you'd still get wrecked. Then you'd see how good sins can actually be. But anyways if a bear is pvp 4 and up then obviously you'd be using a mutilation build in pug minis. But once again premade minis would be a different story; No matter what build you run you're not going to out dps and out kill a pvp 8-10 guard dt conq necro demo hox barb sin ranger tos pom. But I'm still loling @ you. Not sure why you're taking offence to me trying to help out a pvp 2 bs with no gear to get tokens.

[Erock25]

Originally Posted by Mathieulombardi It was just a reminder of our discussion back then between specs. It's compared to how you want to kill first and support your team later. Which is fine if you're pvp 4 and up bs with AAs in a pug mini. As a lowbie bear or one that actually premades it's a different story. And lol at your argument regarding sins. Sins are easy to pwn b/c there are so many bad sins. All they do is use bombs and dot darts then dww and think they're pro. But my point was that no matter what pvp level you are, a full pvp 8-10 sin with crafted tier 3 weapon would make you think differently. Are they easy to pwn? I kill pvp 8 sins on my tos. But no matter how good or bad, as long as they know how to land acombo they'll give any pvp 2 BS problems. I don't understand why you think this topic is still about you. This is just to help a bs that's pvp 2 with no gear and no aa. But on your topic, it's too bad you were only a beginner back in the day. I'd love to see you 1v1 slither while morphs was using no avatar/gb/dww/ with no AAs and you'd still get wrecked. Then you'd see how good sins can actually be. But anyways if a bear is pvp 4 and up then obviously you'd be using a mutilation build in pug minis. But once again premade minis would be a different story; No matter what build you run you're not going to out dps and out kill a pvp 8-10 guard dt conq necro demo hox barb sin ranger tos pom. But I'm still loling @ you. Not sure why you're taking offence to me trying to help out a pvp 2 bs with no gear to get tokens.

Okay mathieulombaddie ... why you keep bringing up premades? I don't get it. We keep talking about pug minigames and you mouth vomit some bullshit about premades. I'm not trying to make this topic about me, just about how bad YOU are for relying on a bubble so much.

I think it is funny that all a sudden you say pvp 4 and up should be mutilation build haha.

[Roari]

PVP 4>x shammies are really squishy to magic damage, I promise you that 4-5 seconds of immunity isn't going to save you from a caster. You're going to get stunned then one shot because everything will crit for 3-4k on you as soon as that bubble runs out. Not to mention it saves you once every few minutes at most if it even does anything more then prolong your life long enough for a combo or two.

[Mathieulombardi]

Originally Posted by Erock25 Okay mathieulombaddie ... why you keep bringing up premades? I don't get it. We keep talking about pug minigames and you mouth vomit some bullshit about premades. I'm not trying to make this topic about me, just about how bad YOU are for relying on a bubble so much. I think it is funny that all a sudden you say pvp 4 and up should be mutilation build haha.

LOL, why do you keep on bringing up pvp 8 and above bears? I've said it in the beginning that people without gear and AA should be focused on iron hide build to stay up and heal so to win games and tokens. Yet you go off talking about something else completely. I talk about pvp 4 and premades b/c it's been the topic of discussion for a while now. Just discussing the different spectrum of the game, and which spec is right for the person who asked the original question. You're the one who keeps on talking about your build your gear and your kills, which has nothing to do with the op.

[Suctum]

Most great Shamans never get more than a few kills, even with all the dps they can get they will never out dps real dps classes, and in A team minis the bear always comes in last if he's doing his job. If people are recounting Fuzzy or Coulin getting 20+ kills, it was probably a pug stomp, as I have been in premades against each and neither were leading in kills, that was always the Guards, Rangers, Demo's, ToS, and sometimes the Barb or odd DT.

As for the argument about bubbles, you can take it or not take it. PvP 4 or less your dying anyways if anyone decides to focus you. Personally I would go with dps, but if your PvP 4 or less than your gear is probably sh!t anyways, so does it matter? Age of Gear Reliance ftw. The only class that does ok without gear is Ranger, and we all know Ranger is no easy to play.

[Erock25]

Originally Posted by Mathieulombardi LOL, why do you keep on bringing up pvp 8 and above bears? I've said it in the beginning that people without gear and AA should be focused on iron hide build to stay up and heal so to win games and tokens. Yet you go off talking about something else completely. I talk about pvp 4 and premades b/c it's been the topic of discussion for a while now. Just discussing the different spectrum of the game, and which spec is right for the person who asked the original question. You're the one who keeps on talking about your build your gear and your kills, which has nothing to do with the op.

u bad bubble boy

(my trolling is deteriorating as we argue in circles)

[PunkJiuJitsu]

I have been using the bubble (because I am bad) and I am able to beat many people 1 vs 1 that are pvp 6 and I am still only pvp2, ALMOST 3 !! Bubble some may consider "bad" but I have found it to be a good choice for my play style.

[m4gg0t]

I love the bubble spec, always have. but since the combo changes, it sucks for even trying to get kills as out combos hit for like 1.5k damage max or less and with crits maybe 3k if youre lucky. So thats why most melee classes go bleed spec now ( which imo is retarded and funcom needs to take a look at ).

But for pugs, a BS that want kills should go mutilations spec period. but if your undergeared, you should have iron hide anf for premades too, but who does premades anyways?

[m4gg0t]

I wish funcom would give us back some damage, close to what we had before combo revamp.