[Thutkemi]

Originally Posted by nilsafella; are u kidding me ... how can someone say gaurds hold aggro better then dt or conq , conq dps is far supirior to both the dt and gaurd when it comes to tanking , i RARELY see a gaurd hold aggro in a raid even when dps starts 5 - 10 % on a boss fight .... and if u dont have alot of good raid gear u better hope ur dps sux or ur never holding it without a goad especially

Bad guards. I was going full out on a carnage build conq last night in W1/W3 nad ended up 4th in dps for the night (ran bowls or would have been higher) and never pulled off the guardians.

[xxCOIxx]

Originally Posted by Thutkemi Bad guards. I was going full out on a carnage build conq last night in W1/W3 nad ended up 4th in dps for the night (ran bowls or would have been higher) and never pulled off the guardians.

^^^ this.

Our Guardians are amazing, and one of them almost never loses aggro to a couple of awesome DTs/Conqs...

Our raiding is as advanced as any guilds', and Guardians are still the number one for tanking.

[DaBossMang]

Depends on the boss fight. Certain fights the DT and pet shine due to higher magic mitigation and that damn pet.

[fredgsanford]

Originally Posted by nilsafella are u kidding me ... how can someone say gaurds hold aggro better then dt or conq , conq dps is far supirior to both the dt and gaurd when it comes to tanking , i RARELY see a gaurd hold aggro in a raid even when dps starts 5 - 10 % on a boss fight .... and if u dont have alot of good raid gear u better hope ur dps sux or ur never holding it without a goad especially

DPS DOES NOT EQUAL HATE GOD ALL YOU GUARDIANS ARE SOOOOOOOO BAD! OMG ILL GET STORM BLADE ON A TANK BUILD AND DO 1% MORE DMG AND HOLD HATE THAT MUCH BETTER YAAAAAY!

They changed the formulas awhile ago men, hate is not equal to dmg anymore.

Originally Posted by DaBossMang Depends on the boss fight. Certain fights the DT and pet shine due to higher magic mitigation and that damn pet.

Guard is still better, and can pull off of pet. The thing is why would they want to.



Have you seen guard pve pieces? They give ALOT of hate.

[deebs]

The whole problem with guards is thier dps tree is also the best tanking tree. Sword and shield is broken. they need to make the polearm guard a little more squishy and give the s&b the help they need to be the true tank they are.

FYI concs with BD gear have sick aggro and almost the same mitigation as guards, along with two bubbles and a rez. S&B guards cannot compete with that and funcom should show them some love once they are done revamping classes who dont want it in the first place. I quit playing my guard once i starting getting BD gear on my conc its alot more fun and makes a great tank.

[DaBossMang]

Originally Posted by deebs The whole problem with guards is thier dps tree is also the best tanking tree. Sword and shield is broken. they need to make the polearm guard a little more squishy and give the s&b the help they need to be the true tank they are. FYI concs with BD gear have sick aggro and almost the same mitigation as guards, along with two bubbles and a rez. S&B guards cannot compete with that and funcom should show them some love once they are done revamping classes who dont want it in the first place. I quit playing my guard once i starting getting BD gear on my conc its alot more fun and makes a great tank.

Dunno about that, Juggernaut is pretty baller.

[Thutkemi]

Conq is more fun to play than guard, I agree. Haven't tried DT yet, but out of the two soldiers I have, conq is more entertaining, though I don't get as many kills in minis.

[bolas]

Originally Posted by deebs The whole problem with guards is thier dps tree is also the best tanking tree. Sword and shield is broken. they need to make the polearm guard a little more squishy and give the s&b the help they need to be the true tank they are. FYI concs with BD gear have sick aggro and almost the same mitigation as guards, along with two bubbles and a rez. S&B guards cannot compete with that and funcom should show them some love once they are done revamping classes who dont want it in the first place. I quit playing my guard once i starting getting BD gear on my conc its alot more fun and makes a great tank.

i desagree.

The problem with guards is our play style is completely spec independent and 100% gear dependent.

If u are full t2 i can tank BRC all day way with hybrid spec. (i am not full t2, i am t2 with 3 t1 pieces and a blue chest and i did)

So, conqs and DTs seems to be better pve classes cause they have more tools to do it. Gaarah may disagree, but i think he could easyly tank t3 with a conq or DT from what a see on the few t3 raids i was in. Usual Suspects have many DTs who do extremely well on t3 also.

Juggernaut tree is not broken, the class is for both pve and pvp.

I said 100 times already that BV is the best combo to finish targets. but u can actually get more kills (if u are a selfish noob) with a full tempest/general spec.

My guard have 56.6% mitigation (PVE) with a completely hybrid pvp spec and 58.9% with a full tank spec. I can do almost equal on pvp with a pve tank spec than with a full hybrid pvp build.

[deebs]

Originally Posted by bolas i desagree. The problem with guards is our play style is completely spec independent and 100% gear dependent. If u are full t2 i can tank BRC all day way with hybrid spec. (i am not full t2, i am t2 with 3 t1 pieces and a blue chest and i did) So, conqs and DTs seems to be better pve classes cause they have more tools to do it. Gaarah may disagree, but i think he could easyly tank t3 with a conq or DT from what a see on the few t3 raids i was in. Usual Suspects have many DTs who do extremely well on t3 also. Juggernaut tree is not broken, the class is for both pve and pvp. I said 100 times already that BV is the best combo to finish targets. but u can actually get more kills (if u are a selfish noob) with a full tempest/general spec. My guard have 56.6% mitigation (PVE) with a completely hybrid pvp spec and 58.9% with a full tank spec. I can do almost equal on pvp with a pve tank spec than with a full hybrid pvp build.

I think we can agree that the player makes the soldier, we have some very good guards, DT, and concs. Soldiers are dependant on gear and skill.

Guards are not necessary in t3, DT and concs are. That is why they need fixed.If the people who played guards in our guild(who kick ass)played DT and concs we wouldnt need to use any guards. With the BD gear available to DT and concs the advantage guards had over them is gone. Guards have nothing special to offer a raid in t3 like a DT or Conc and certainly are not the main tank they use to be.

I have 5 peices of BD gear on my conc,57.2% physical and 49.8% magic mitigation atm with all the bubbles and a battle rez. With the last three pieces of BD gear there would be no reason to ever play my guard. I guess what im saying is funcom has totally screwed over the guard class for pve. They need somthin to set the guard apart from the other tanks. As of now there is nothing but last stand which my conc has a close equal on a 1.5 min cooldown.

[fredgsanford]

Originally Posted by deebs I think we can agree that the player makes the soldier, we have some very good guards, DT, and concs. Soldiers are dependant on gear and skill. Guards are not necessary in t3, DT and concs are. That is why they need fixed.If the people who played guards in our guild(who kick ass)played DT and concs we wouldnt need to use any guards. With the BD gear available to DT and concs the advantage guards had over them is gone. Guards have nothing special to offer a raid in t3 like a DT or Conc and certainly are not the main tank they use to be. I have 5 peices of BD gear on my conc,57.2% physical and 49.8% magic mitigation atm with all the bubbles and a battle rez. With the last three pieces of BD gear there would be no reason to ever play my guard. I guess what im saying is funcom has totally screwed over the guard class for pve. They need somthin to set the guard apart from the other tanks. As of now there is nothing but last stand which my conc has a close equal on a 1.5 min cooldown.

I dunno, our guardian MT's in T3 better than anyone else. DT's are basically there to offtank/pet.