[Mathieulombardi]

Yeah, all we need is another combo like gb/dww, an insta dmg ability like olp/atg, and a spell like wave of flame then the class would be all set.

Make all our cc's instant while fc's at it.

[Suctum]

Originally Posted by Mathieulombardi Yeah, all we need is another combo like gb/dww, an insta dmg ability like olp/atg, and a spell like wave of flame then the class would be all set. Make all our cc's instant while fc's at it.

Waves of Flame is a stupid spell and I still laugh at Demo's that use it regardless of how well they do...it's still a channel for baddies.

[llathander]

The idea of bears being a "pretty solid class" is completely inane. shrewd blow is a complete joke compared to what it was with the latest nerf. Ex: before the latest nerf my sb was doing 1.8k to 2.2k, and usually on the high end. Now it's as low as 300 - 1.2k. I'm not taking about crits here, just regular finisher hits. The crit disparity is enormous by comparison also, I just wanted to give an example. My usual dps on a single target mob was 1.4k to 1.6k (I'm just talking about single target raid bosses, not stacking mutis on a bunch of mobs) now I really struggle for 1.1 to 1.3. great, thanks for that. I'm sure most bears would like shrewd blow returned to its former status, but here's my biggest gripe- I was doing a boss fight with some guildies, single target. I went as hard as I could, 1275 dps, the pom did as well 1900+ dps. Is that supposed to be balance? So a pom can not only do wildly more dps than me in aoe situations but ALSO single target? That is *not* balance. Bears should be at minimum, able to match an equally skilled pom single target...and ideally do lots more dps. Bears have been about as neglected as hoxes lately, in no way am I saying nerf any one, just make the bear what it should be...a beastly single target stomper.

[Lerael]

Originally Posted by llathander The idea of bears being a "pretty solid class" is completely inane. shrewd blow is a complete joke compared to what it was with the latest nerf. Ex: before the latest nerf my sb was doing 1.8k to 2.2k, and usually on the high end. Now it's as low as 300 - 1.2k. I'm not taking about crits here, just regular finisher hits. The crit disparity is enormous by comparison also, I just wanted to give an example. My usual dps on a single target mob was 1.4k to 1.6k (I'm just talking about single target raid bosses, not stacking mutis on a bunch of mobs) now I really struggle for 1.1 to 1.3. great, thanks for that. I'm sure most bears would like shrewd blow returned to its former status, but here's my biggest gripe- I was doing a boss fight with some guildies, single target. I went as hard as I could, 1275 dps, the pom did as well 1900+ dps. Is that supposed to be balance? So a pom can not only do wildly more dps than me in aoe situations but ALSO single target? That is *not* balance. Bears should be at minimum, able to match an equally skilled pom single target...and ideally do lots more dps. Bears have been about as neglected as hoxes lately, in no way am I saying nerf any one, just make the bear what it should be...a beastly single target stomper.

First of all, bear is the priest with the highest survivability so it MUST be the one with the lowest dps/burst damage as well. This is not about only PvP.

Bear is not a good dps class, for sure, but its dps on the right hands is far away from broken. You can do everything with a bear in your group.

If you are unsatisfied, roll a "easy mode" pom with 2001 mana problems, lol.

[llathander]

More survival yes, by much...not really. what's the armor difference between light and medium armor? 100 armor? Oh boy that's about nothing. moreover my protection is a joke, I doubt I'm much more Hardy than a pom or tos taking magic damage. My point here is in at least single target fights, we should be able to do more dps than tos/pom, assuming equal skill. That is not at all outlandish. Balance is not having wild Dps disparity between the priests and somehow justifying it with "well one is marginally more survivable than the others". I'm talking pve here.

[Mathieulombardi]

When pom and tos does 1.2-1.5k easy and around up to 2.7k dps single or dual targets, it is not outlandish for us to get some dps increase. In addition compared to other major classes the way our class dps is much slower and much more buff dependent. But no matter what the class needs to be revamped with a way that FC and us both know how the class is meant to be played. For example, pre 1.04 and post 1.05.5 the class was still burst dmg and burst defensive skills dependent. And b/c you could cycle through it quickly raid pve dmg was fairly good as well. Now only the good shamans know how to do well in pve. But then again, when compared to top tos/pom, they can either top parse with dps, or both dps and heals.

[Erock25]

Originally Posted by Lerael First of all, bear is the priest with the highest survivability so it MUST be the one with the lowest dps/burst damage as well. This is not about only PvP. Bear is not a good dps class, for sure, but its dps on the right hands is far away from broken. You can do everything with a bear in your group. If you are unsatisfied, roll a "easy mode" pom with 2001 mana problems, lol.

bear shamans will never be pve balanced because it would affect pvp too much. it is funny to me when i read people saying bears have more survivability in pve. bears are the only healer without s true bubble in the best pve spec. if as a healer you pull aggro in the tougher raids you are taking one to three hits before you die regardless if you are apom, tos, or bs... unless you have a bubble. i also feel bs should be highest priest single target dmg but it would be tough to implement without making bs even more op in pvp.

[llathander]

So bear has to be at the bottom of the totem pole because of pvpers? and keep eating dps nerfs? Rubbish, thats the kind of thinking that makes people stop playing classes altogether. People are always finding some class to complain about because "its OP" op usually being limited to "oh god I keep getting owned by this person". Once they nerf bears to where were basically hitting with pillows I wonder which class will be the next one that people whine about.

[Griefercast]

holy crap ! why would they revamp a class that as of right now is 100% balanced. do you want to cast fireballs from anus as well.

[llathander]

You seem to have not read the previous posts. It is *not* balanced