[TheLionheart]

BV needs to be either made a SS combo with a longer CD, or removed all together. Its the 1.04 Storm crown of today, just a simple one click button that allows you to gain abnormal high kills and k/ds, i know this because of what i did on mine when i played it.

Just because the sins and rangers got boosted to OP (i don't think sins are op to be honest, they die so fast and 1 BV kills them, the only thing op about sin is maybe DWW, however yes i agree rangers are broken right now especially with their traps, i thought a trap was supposed to be preemptive, not a instant click knockdown when your getting attacked and the drains make me cry at night) doesn't mean they will, look at tos, during the changes they clearly did get nerfed from being OP and broken to a decent class, sure at the moment tos need some fixes like making fail feats like tornadoes work and some sort of stamina regen ability like the other heals, but overall its a decent class.

I just hope guardians will become what they should be, the frontline soldier meant to take a hit and either be a supportive soldier with SS with a wide array of abilities to help allies or tempest and have support dps with the occasional ability to cause spike damage, and NOT be the raw dps class they are now that act like sins and barbs in full plate gear.

[Ronable]

I agree with u on bv man, I hope they scrap it for better buffs/ debuffs and viable combos. lol I love how no one notices how op a dt can be though, I know quite a few that are toppin over 40 kills in minis. It's past due for em though I guess. Also yeh sins aren't op to guards in minis with bv running, but to every other class they are. This revamp is a worry for most guards because 9/10 times when they touch our class it's a nerf.

I wanna get kills like every other class, f*** being a support class this isn't pve.

http://forums-tl.ageofconan.com/show...t=51740&page=2

There's a lot of good points made from both sides in that thread.

Here's my take on the situation and a final quote from tl.

The prob here is balancing guards dps with their hp/mit. Given, most medium armor classes almost have the same hp and some demos are pushin 11k with gear :/. So how can you take away alot of guards dps while most other classes are nipping at their toes with the same hp and alot of mit.

So next we'll take away sins cc breaks and evade buffs? Rangers traps? A bs's heals? Each class should retain what makes them unique (like a soldiers hp and mit) while still having sufficient burst or sustained dps to make them a threat in pvp and able to get a ton if kills if played properly.

Quote by a guard from tl- I don't wanna be op, but I'm not going to let guards go back to the pre-reck days either. I'm also not going to let other classes dictate how good mine should be.

[bolas]

Originally Posted by Ronable I agree with u on bv man, I hope they scrap it for better buffs/ debuffs and viable combos. lol I love how no one notices how op a dt can be though, I know quite a few that are toppin over 40 kills in minis. It's past due for em though I guess. Also yeh sins aren't op to guards in minis with bv running, but to every other class they are. This revamp is a worry for most guards because 9/10 times when they touch our class it's a nerf. I wanna get kills like every other class, f*** being a support class this isn't pve. http://forums-tl.ageofconan.com/show...t=51740&page=2 There's a lot of good points made from both sides in that thread. Here's my take on the situation and a final quote from tl. The prob here is balancing guards dps with their hp/mit. Given, most medium armor classes almost have the same hp and some demos are pushin 11k with gear :/. So how can you take away alot of guards dps while most other classes are nipping at their toes with the same hp and alot of mit. So next we'll take away sins cc breaks and evade buffs? Rangers traps? A bs's heals? Each class should retain what makes them unique (like a soldiers hp and mit) while still having sufficient burst or sustained dps to make them a threat in pvp and able to get a ton if kills if played properly. Quote by a guard from tl- I don't wanna be op, but I'm not going to let guards go back to the pre-reck days either. I'm also not going to let other classes dictate how good mine should be.

Thats what i am saying for a long time and some borderline retarded ppl keep saying that i am crying guards are not OPed.

Guards are OP, extremely. But if u just remove BV, guards will be pathetic gimped. And not on "getting kills", a good guardian with 79 points on general tree can get top kills in a mini. I am talkingabout "efectiveness".

If guardian class get 0 kills at every mini but for other reasons like buffs, CCs, debuffs or w/e guardian class remains a VERY efective class to play, i would be happy. Sadly, the comunity playstile only gives credit to kills. Every1 just cares about kills. And the cryingabout guardian class being OPed comes from the score on minis.

No1 can realize how stun charge/momentum is OPed and alot other abilities/feats that dont mean "kills" as BV means.

Resuming, 90% of AoC players are cone vision baddies, imo =)

[Serrasus]

I hope they make it so guardians can be either an almost unkillable meat shield with enough cc to keep there group protected or a glass cannon with great dps and anti cc but very squishy, atm tanks can be all of the above-the very squishy part which is the problem.I have very little faith in funcom though just hope they don't gimp us or buff us.

[bolas]

Originally Posted by Serrasus I hope they make it so guardians can be either an almost unkillable meat shield with enough cc to keep there group protected or a glass cannon with great dps and anti cc but very squishy, atm tanks can be all of the above-the very squishy part which is the problem.I have very little faith in funcom though just hope they don't gimp us or buff us.

Venom, i posted that like a 1000 times already.

Imo:

Jugger tree: CC/anti CC/buffs/debuffs/really tank/low burst and sustained dps

tempest: Low CCs or none/ no CC breaks or 1 (just the AA one)/ no group buffs/ no debuffs/ heavy armor equivalent tank/ insane burst dps/ decent sustained dps.

I hate hybrids btw.

[Serrasus]

Originally Posted by bolas Venom, i posted that like a 1000 times already. Imo: Jugger tree: CC/anti CC/buffs/debuffs/really tank/low burst and sustained dps tempest: Low CCs or none/ no CC breaks or 1 (just the AA one)/ no group buffs/ no debuffs/ heavy armor equivalent tank/ insane burst dps/ decent sustained dps. I hate hybrids btw.

I didnt notice sweetcheeks im sorry!

I hate dps speced tanks, but i see guards like u with damage suits,so to speak, raking up a ton of kills, its tempting but cant get rid of my general tree i wove it!

[bolas]

Originally Posted by Serrasus I didnt notice sweetcheeks im sorry! I hate dps speced tanks, but i see guards like u with damage suits,so to speak, raking up a ton of kills, its tempting but cant get rid of my general tree i wove it!

I dont hate dps specs actually, what i cannot accept is the fact FC made the trees in a way that hybrid spec is the best spec to every class.

That makes every1 uses the same spec and the game be more boring.

I actually made a sugestion some time ago that FC should prevent hybrid specs, u would need to chose between the 2 trees and u only would be allowedto spec into that tree and the general. I know the way the game is played right now that would sux, but with good balance between the trees we would have more costumized specs. imo.