[ozHerbo]

Originally Posted by Kensh1n Cry me a river, build me a bridge and then I'll come burn it down. <3

You enjoying using your third party apps in AoC?

[Lostmonkeys]

I think there should be a locked thread with a list of all characters caught hacking/exploiting or other wise violating the EULA.
Don't give any details on what they did only that they violated the EULA, don't even list there forum name just the name of the character that committed the violation.
It would not only show those that think Funcom is ignoring exploiters that it is being dealt with but if someone in your guild gets busted it would reflect poorly on the guild.
Having a list of confirmed violators would not only discourage players from exploiting to avoid ending up on the list. But guilds would police them selves to avoid having players in there guild that might end up on the list and give the guild a bad reputation.

[kash]

Originally Posted by Lostmonkeys I think there should be a locked thread with a list of all characters caught hacking/exploiting or other wise violating the EULA. Don't give any details on what they did only that they violated the EULA, don't even list there forum name just the name of the character that committed the violation. It would not only show those that think Funcom is ignoring exploiters that it is being dealt with but if someone in your guild gets busted it would reflect poorly on the guild. Having a list of confirmed violators would not only discourage players from exploiting to avoid ending up on the list. But guilds would police them selves to avoid having players in there guild that might end up on the list and give the guild a bad reputation.

A wall of shame would be great. It's too easy for players who've received bans to spin it into something els, like they were taking a break from the game or something.

[7thkey]

Originally Posted by kash It's too easy for players who've received bans to spin it into something els, like they were taking a break from the game or something.

I would like to see a list like this also. However it should be for the higher section of offences like 3rd party programs , hacking , duping ect. Seeing what guilds were disbanded and reformed would be great so the guilds under new names can't hide and pretend it never happened.

[ozHerbo]

Originally Posted by kash A wall of shame would be great. It's too easy for players who've received bans to spin it into something els, like they were taking a break from the game or something.

EXACTLY! Name and shame ftw!

[the-gunny]

WELL I CAN SAY FROM EXPERIENCE... THEY DO NOTHING.

I have told them the website name and the program name that works. I talked to a GM and told him I downloaded it and tried it. It worked. And if you can tell by any of my toons KD. I did not use it long LOL.

I have reported someone knowingly using it. Guess what, they did nothing.

That tells me 1 of 2 things:

1. They would rather have the players money than do anything about it.

2. They just do not give a ****.

[Lostmonkeys]

Originally Posted by the-gunny WELL I CAN SAY FROM EXPERIENCE... THEY DO NOTHING. I have told them the website name and the program name that works. I talked to a GM and told him I downloaded it and tried it. It worked. And if you can tell by any of my toons KD. I did not use it long LOL. I have reported someone knowingly using it. Guess what, they did nothing. That tells me 1 of 2 things: 1. They would rather have the players money than do anything about it. 2. They just do not give a ****.

ahh yes! the forbidden program that can not be mentioned without the thread getting deleted.
I have not tried it myself but who ever designed it is a great programmer. I think the problem is they have not found a way of detecting it yet, so as long as the ones using it keep denying it, they can do nothing. They will not ban someone without proof. It is like using the god mode codes in single player games. You want to do it, but if you do the game becomes boring as the challenge is gone. So I will not use it weather or not I could get away with it. I do know where to get it and what it can do, it can be quite frustrating though when you know what abilities the hack program gives and you can obviously see others using those abilities.
Well at least the veteran rewards grant some of the same abilities the hack does. My advice is get good at circle strafing and kiting and the players that use the hacks will become less annoying.

[Treras]

Originally Posted by Lostmonkeys I think the problem is they have not found a way of detecting it yet, so as long as the ones using it keep denying it, they can do nothing.

A lot would depend on how that unmentionable program works. I've not downloaded it, so I can't say how it works. Nor do I have sufficient interest to investigate it. However, Funcom have options.

For one, the AOC client could scan the running processes while the game client is running and check if a hash of known versions of the unmentionable program is running. (Executable name is too simple). This would give them a good idea if the progam is running on a users' system or not. There might be mismatches, but when the server receives a signal from the client that a potentially suspicious process is running it could start a more detailed log of that accounts' activies in-game and flag it for a deeper look by a human.

If it uses thread code injection that is also detectable by the game client. This can also be communicated to the server, escalating the investigation into a player.

In the simplest case, Funcom could obtain that unmentionable program. This should give them a clear insight into what it does and how to detect and potentially combat it.

Combine this with reports from other players using the known mechanisms and their own sweeps through whatever logging they have in place for client activities (That hopefully tracks abnormal behavior) they should be able to perform a reasonable analysis of problem children and could deal to them.

The issue with this type of thing though relates to privacy laws in various countries, and I know that people from social democratic government types (Like NZ, Norway, etc.) tend to look upon such invasions of privacy with a bit more apprehension than some other countries. This could be one potential reason why they're not already delving into the details of what is running on your system.

Warden, used by Blizzard, already scans processes and checks the window titles and contents of running processes. And yes, they check what you have open when you're playing that game. The potential for abuse on something like that is very high. I know that I would not trust a game developer with my systems' security. (Thus separate gaming system to everything else)

[Lostmonkeys]

Yeah I would pay for a second account long before paying for a program that removes the challenge from the game.

What happened to the old days when you had a second account with a healer class following you around with a heal macro running lol. Might not be too many systems that could handle running dual instances of this game though. In SWG I had four accounts and could run dual instance of the game with my desktop and my laptop having 4 toons logged in at once. Was great for farming rare gear and holo,s.

[Pr0bitas]

Shaming usually works only on people with a conscience. Sadly, those compelled to cheat in games they pay to play, and who also pay to cheat, usually don't have one...